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| Lanehurst, Albourne, home to John in 1861 | |||
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| John was sentenced to transportation for seven years in 1852. In 1861 / 1881 he is in Hurstpierpoint, so if he went he managed to return. |
| John Walder | bap. 19 Mar 1820 Shermanbury | m. 2 Aug 1843 Hurstpierpoint | |
| Lydia Sayers | bap. 24
Oct 1819 Hurstpierpoint Parents Thomas and Mary |
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| Thomas 1784 | Samuel |
| William Luzzell Sayers | bap. 4 Nov 1838
Hurstpierpoint -one parent Lydia |
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| Henry Sayers | bap. 23 Apr 1843
Hurstpierpoint -one parent Lydia |
m. Harriett | |
| Peter | bap. 1 Sep 1844 Hurstpierpoint | ||
| Thomas | b. 11 Jan 1846 Hurstpierpoint | m. Mary Ann Newnham | |
| Mary | bap. 6 Jun 1847 Hurstpierpoint | Notes | |
| Priscilla | b. 1850 Clayton | Early Death | d. 1859 -Sep Qtr Cuckfield 2b _7 |
| Anne | b. 1852 Cuckfield | ||
| Shermanbury Parish Records (A2A) "report of a removal order of - Walder, his wife and six children from Cuckfield and agreement to try and come to some arrangement with Cuckfield, January 1851" |
| Census: | 1851 | 1861 | 1871 | 1881 | 1891 |
| 1841 Census -Cuckfield | 184117 |
| Address | Name | Age | Profession | Where Born |
| Tythes House -with 3 other servants only. | John Walder | 20 | M.S. | Same County |
| 1851 Census -Ansty Cuckfield | 185188/b |
| Address | Name | Rel. | Con | Age | Profession | Where Born |
| Ansty | Lydia Walder | Head | M | 31 | Pauper | Hurstpierpoint Sussex |
| William Walder | Son | U | 12 | Ag Lab | Hurstpierpoint Sussex | |
| Henry Walder | Son | U | 8 | Twineham Sussex | ||
| Peter Walder | Son | U | 5 | Hurstpierpoint Sussex | ||
| Thomas Walder | Son | U | 4 | Hurstpierpoint Sussex | ||
| Mary Walder | Dau | U | 3 | Hurstpierpoint Sussex | ||
| Priscilla Walder | Dau | U | 1 | Clayton Sussex |
| 1861 Census -Albourne | 186142 |
| Address | Name | Rel. | Con | Age | Profession | Where Born |
| Lanes | Peter Peacock | Head | M | 54 | Ag Lab | Albourne Sussex |
| Harriett Peacock | Wife | M | 48 | Ardingly Sussex | ||
| John Walder | Lodger | Wid | 41 | Ag Lab | Shermanbury Sussex | |
| Peter Walder | Son | U | 16 | Ag Lab | Hurstpierpoint Sussex | |
| Ann Walder | Dau | 9 | Scholar | Cuckfield Sussex |
| 1871 Census -Hurstpierpoint | 187141 |
| Address | Name | Rel. | Con | Age | Profession | Where Born |
| Sayers
Common -Standey Family -Labourer |
John Walder | Lodger | Wdr | 51 | Labourer | Shermanbury Sussex |
| 1881 Census -Hurstpierpoint | 1881202 |
| Address | Name | Rel. | Con | Age | Profession | Where Born |
| 11 Sayers Common | Peter Peacock | Head | M | 75 | Ag Lab | Albourne Sussex |
| Harriet Peacock | Wife | M | 68 | Ardingly Sussex | ||
| Jane P Peacock | Dau | 19 | Albourne Sussex | |||
| John Walder | Lodger | 61 | Ag Lab | Shermanbury Sussex |
| 1891 Census -Hurstpierpoint | 1891232 |
| Address | Name | Rel. | Con | Age | Profession | Where Born |
| Sayers Common -Peacock Family -as 1881 | John Walder | Lodgr | S | 71 | Shepherd empee | Shermanbury Sussex |
| Extracts from Session Rolls -ESRO QR/962 1852 |
| 10th January 1852 John Walder Labourer Hurstpierpoint / Cuckfield One fagot to value of threepence from Charles Tulley Plea not guilty Verdict Guilty on the whole endictment 1st Offence Sentence: One week imprisonment to hard labour 24th February 1852 One sack to the value of one shilling and sixpence and one bushel half of another bushel of flour to the value of 10 shillings. Property of Charles Packham and another Six months hard labour, last week of each calendar month in solitary confinement. Plea not guilty Verdict guilty on the whole indictment Second Offence Transported for seven years to commence at the expiration of his first sentence. |
| Notes on Mary Walder 1847 |
| Mary had a daughter Alice Walder, born 3 Oct 1869 in the Cuckfield
Union Workhouse. Mary never married. Alice married James Gideon Goldsmith (1869 -1900) at Chiddingly and they had the following children: Frederick Thomas 1893 - 1911 Lily Mary 1894 - 1940 Elsie 1896 - 1962 Florence Alice 1898 - 1974 James Henry 1900 - 1970 Alice died 2 Apr 1949 in Eastbourne. Notes courtesy of David Hall, a present day descendant. |